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This Stays in the Bookclub: The Housemaid pt 2

• Riss & Chrys • Season 1 • Episode 14

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We dive deep into Part One of "The Housemaid" by Freda McFadden, uncovering the twisted psychology behind a wealthy family's dynamics and the vulnerable maid who becomes entangled in their web.

• Exploring how Nina's erratic behavior toward Millie creates a hostile work environment
• Analyzing the inappropriate boundaries between Andrew and Millie during late-night encounters
• Breaking down the Broadway ticket incident as a manipulation tactic
• Discussing the affair between Millie and Andrew that develops after a night out
• Examining Nina's mental health history and her attempted drowning of her daughter
• Questioning Andrew's true character as he evicts his wife and abandons his stepdaughter
• Understanding the power imbalance between wealthy employers and vulnerable employees
• Debating whether Nina is truly unstable or if Andrew is masterfully manipulating everyone
• Theorizing about the locked attic door and what might happen next
• Contemplating how the foundation of relationships built on betrayal are doomed to fail

Read along with us and finish "The Housemaid" before our next episode where we'll complete our analysis and reveal our next book club selection!


Riss:

Hi, welcome back to another episode of this Day's in Our Book Club. We're talking about the Housemaid by Freda McFadden, and we are up to chapter 37? Mm-hmm Part one. Part one. We just finished part one. Mm-hmm, do you want to give us a quick rundown of what happens so we can catch?

Chrys:

sure, if I remember it um, yes, so, um, I think last time we talked about how um nina was very like back and forth she was being like really nice and then all of a sudden she was like crazy rude and Millie was just starting to get fed up with her and then like also slowly kind of realizing that she has a little crush on Andrew, the husband, and also some growing frustrations with Cecilia. So a few things that happen. That's her name, right, right, okay, you gave me a look.

Riss:

No, I know it's cause I had a minute there. I was like that sounds really weird, cecilia, but no, that's right, cece.

Chrys:

Um, yeah, so I mean a few things that I remember. Um from it, that kind of stand out. Um, Millie tries to make a little like snack for cecilia and um, I can't remember 100 what it was, but it was like crackers with like some banana and some peanut butter. And then she goes to hand it to her and celia's like no, I'm allergic to peanut butter. And like starts freaking out like you're trying to kill me. And then nina comes down and she's like what's going on? She's like she tried to give me peanut butter and nina's like pissed um. And then later, I guess a different day, she everyone's asleep. Millie decides she wants to watch some tv. So she goes to the living room and she's watching some tv and, um, she's watching like family feud or whatever it was and then andrew pops up and he's like what are you watching?

Riss:

and like hangs out with her for a second and she's, she's in her like underwear, right when this happens, she like she's not like it's like boxer shorts or something like yeah it's like it's sleeping clothes but it's like, yeah, no, she's not wearing a bra.

Riss:

I think that that, like it, kind of goes into a little bit of detail on that yeah, which I'm sorry, but that when you're there's like other people who you're not like, you're not, you don't have a very close relationship with and and you're dressed like that you're asking for trouble.

Chrys:

I feel like, even around family, like you have to be careful.

Riss:

Yeah, I feel like, and not because it's just, it's just respectful, right, I think, yeah like if you're I don't know, I think in my head, like when I was younger, like I'd go and like stay at my sister's house with, like my brother-in-law and whatever, like it's not your home, so like you should just be it's and and when I say like you're asking for trouble, I don't mean to be like I, I know how horrible that can sound, but at the same time, like she's living somewhere where she knows her employer is gonna get mad over, like very little things. And even like, as she's talking about it, she knows very well that what she's doing is really risky. And yeah, I don't know.

Chrys:

Anyway, keep going yeah, I agree with that. I don't think, like her, like watching tv is that big of a deal, which it turns out to piss off. Nina too, right. Um, I feel like that's fine. I feel like if I had someone living in my house and like they want to watch tv and what as long as it's not like a disturbance, right, it's super loud waking up the kid, whatever it is. Um, I think it's fine. But yeah, that's a good point.

Chrys:

Um but the pj's thing was yeah, and then andrew's also like in his box in his boxers and shirt and then like he sits next to her on the couch, which is like a hundred percent, like if the, not if when, because she did come out, but like when the wife comes out. It's like are you not thinking that, like you're both in, like inappropriate? Clothing bad yeah yeah yeah it doesn't look great, and but which is?

Riss:

one of the moments that was like. I mean, I've been suspicious of andrew since the beginning, but that moment was even like furthered my suspicions of him, because I was just, like you know, supposedly like with how everything is, like set up at this point, the wife that he has he knows her and even if she was the most understanding, cool girl like had no issues with anything. You're in your boxers and you're sitting down with another woman who's in her like risque pjs, you know, I don't know, middle of the night, yeah, if I walked in on something like that, I would be, I'd be uncomfortable, like with my yeah, my husband and like what the heck? What are you doing? You know, and yeah, I agree.

Chrys:

Like you, just don't put yourself in that situation. Yeah, like you, just nothing needs to happen. But even just like it look like, looking like it could have or might have, like that's just you shouldn't allow for that. If you're respectful of your partner, I agree a hundred percent like you're setting.

Riss:

You're setting the situation up for like discomfort, you know, because you don't even want to give the other person the wrong idea of that you could potentially be interested or that there might be any chemistry even if, like you, have zero intentions of anything like yeah, you don't want to lead the other person on in a situation you know like she lives at their house, like that's so intimate already so you have to be extra careful yeah, anyway, keep going.

Riss:

What just like I got? We just got stuck in that like. Oh, I'm like I have a lot of issues with that. I guess it's, I don't know. It's just it's like the first sign to me of like, or maybe not the first. There were already a few, but like it's already giving like a clear idea of like. Maybe nina's not the problem, you know, although she seems to be a huge part of the problem.

Chrys:

Anyway, let's keep going, yeah, but I mean, at the end of the day, he's married to her, right. So like, whether she's nuts or not, he made a commitment, right, he owes her the respect 100. And also like the little girl could have come out too and seen the dad of the. And then she tells the mom like it, it just has a potential for drama. So like, why would you go there at all?

Chrys:

yeah um, but what I was going to point out is how um millie mentions to him how she um tried to make cecilia snack and she didn't know that she was allergic to peanut butter. Um, and andrew's like she's not yeah and she's like what, what the heck?

Chrys:

and like I, she's like I did think it was weird, why would they have it in the house if she's like deathly, like allergic to it, right, um, but also like why is she lying? Or nina lying like why would they lie? And so it's just really strange. But at the same time it does feel like Nina's like setting Millie up for failure, a lot Like she'll say she's said things that she didn't. She'll like tell her to go pick up Cecilia, but like she shows up to pick up the daughter, and then Nina's like I never told you to do that. She like keeps. She shows up to pick up the daughter and then nina's like I never told you to do that. She like keeps gaslighting her.

Riss:

So it's like hard to know what to believe. Yeah, yeah, you're like throwing all over the place, yeah, and the whole situation and it really does like. I mean, it makes it. The book thus far gives very little space for like interpretation of like. Is nina good or bad? You know, it's like pretty clear up to this point that she's kind of a bad person. At least, that's like what it's trying to lead us to believe like she's super difficult, she's controlling, she's all these different things.

Chrys:

And andrew's the chill one. Right, he's the reasonable one yeah, but but do you want to tell the next part?

Riss:

yeah, well, you can fill in if there's anything. I but so as things progress, Millie Andrew asks Millie to book like a concert tickets or for Broadway right Like a Broadway show or something.

Riss:

So she checks with Nina for, like, good datesina gives her the dates that she should book for. And then millie goes and she, she buys these tickets. They're very expensive. Um, she books the hotel for them to stay at and then come to find out nina is like, uh, nina gets really mad at millie because she's like I never told you those dates. I told like I wanted it for the week after that or whatever. And Millie's like, no, like you for sure told me these days and she's like I would never tell you those dates because I have to take Cecilia to camp, that like that weekend. And Millie is super confused and she's feeling super gaslit anyway, um, a quick note there.

Chrys:

What would you do? Because, like Nina's done this a few times, I was thinking that when I was reading it, like, how do you like not manipulate, but like change the situation so you're not being set up for failure? Like what could you possibly like? Do you say like hey, could you actually text me those dates, just so I have it? Like I just want to make sure I know the exact right date so you have proof. You know, like, do you mind writing it down? I don't know like with how could you go about it in a way that, like, you have proof of the communication without making your employer like uncomfortable, because at my job I would send an email and be like following up from our meeting, make sure we agree on everything in this specific situation.

Riss:

It seems like there would be I don't know. There just seems like no right solution, because if it was texted, she would probably you know, seems like the kind of person who'd be, like you took my phone and you texted yourself, or whatever.

Chrys:

That's true you know, because I don't know but that's like harder to spin, though but she kind of does like the the whole time.

Riss:

What is turns out to be helpful is just having somebody else to like back you up, which is kind of like what andrew ends up doing right, which is like, yeah, like you did tell, like you did give.

Chrys:

Later on, when she gives there's like clothes or whatever, anyway, yeah, I don't know that's true, and I mean, I guess, when she went to pick up, when she called her to tell her to go pick up cecilia, she could have been like well, you called me at this time we talked yeah and I guess it like at the end of the day, like does it matter, because she's the one that you have to prove it to and she's just gonna say whatever yeah but I was just thinking that it's like how do you protect yourself?

Chrys:

because I mean, yeah, I don't know, yeah, you're, I guess at the end of the day you're also like an at will employee. They could let you go at any point for whatever reason. But I would just be really concerned about, like how can I keep my employment? But at the same time, like she is worried about keeping her employment, but then she's going out in her underwear to watch a show, so it's like she's sleeping with the boss which we'll get to yeah, yeah, anyway, whatever, sorry no, it like it is the perfect situation to drive somebody nuts, right?

Riss:

Oh yeah, because she doesn't really have a way out, she doesn't have anybody to go to, she doesn't really have like a support system.

Chrys:

Mm-hmm.

Riss:

And she doesn't have very many options because of her background. Yeah, um, but um, but um, yeah, anyway. So nina is all mad because there is no way of her going to the show now, because millie supposedly got the tickets on the wrong date, which she didn't. So Millie or I mean Nina says she's gonna take the tickets out of her paycheck. But these tickets are super expensive, and so Millie is kind of like freaking out because she's like I can't afford to have this taken out of my paycheck. That's like three paychecks in a row for me, and then nina. And then that weekend comes, nina goes off, takes cecilia to camp and andrew's like hey, um, why don't you just use those tickets? And I'll just tell nina that I was able to get them refunded. Yeah and yeah he.

Chrys:

He says so when nina is confronting Millie about it. She's saying like, you're going to have to pay for these. Andrew says, well, like, let me call the credit card, I might be able to get them to refund the whatever.

Chrys:

And then when Nina leaves, he turns to Millie and says like actually I lied to her and told her that I was able to get them refunded, but I wasn't, but it wasn't True, which is is like sketchy to me too, because it's like, well for one, like I get it, because you don't want her to like charge millie for these tickets it doesn't make sense but also like to tell her about it. It's like you're making like the maid, your confidant or whatever, about you lying to your wife about something. Yeah, he should have just said he got them refunded and then just like left it at that, gave, given them to a stranger yeah, someone else, yeah, no and died on the money because he's rich or something.

Chrys:

Yeah, he's, he's definitely he's effing around yeah because it's like oh, this is like our little secret uh-huh it just opens up a door. Uh-huh, it's like you can tell like I'm talking about this, as if it's like oh, this is like our little secret. Uh-huh, it just opens up a door.

Riss:

Uh-huh, it's like you can tell like I'm talking about this as if it's like a real life situation but, like you can tell it's, it isn't something that just happens, their chemistry doesn't just happen, their affair doesn't just happen. It's like he's and she, they're like both playing into it, right, they're like feeding into these little things. And it is like him making her his confidant, um, him giving her these tickets, very expensive tickets and then treating her today so okay, all right, I'm getting ahead of myself. So the day of the, this broadway show comes and he's and andrew's like you just take the tickets, go with a friend or whatever.

Chrys:

And she's like well, I don't want, I prefer not to have these tickets because I don't have anybody to take and I wouldn't want to go by myself and not to overanalyze it, but like the day that nina leaves, it's like right, it's that day, right later that day I also thought it was weird because it's like right, it's that day, right. Later that day I also thought it was weird because it's like he didn't have any plans I also get ahead of myself but it was like he had to go change right away as soon as Nina left, right, am I remembering that wrong? He had to go change, yeah, so they could go. Uh-huh. So it was like right away, like you should go with your friends, but it's like in a few hours right, yeah, a little calculated I I felt like it was yeah, I could see that.

Riss:

Um, so yeah, so then she doesn't have any friend or whatever, and then he suggests to go with her right yeah, I think he says like I'll go with you. Yeah, um, so then. So then she's like super hesitant. She puts on this like little outfit and he thinks she's so beautiful, and then he can't help himself but stare and stuff and she doesn't have anything.

Chrys:

well, I guess we skipped this. But at some point nina had some clothes, a bunch of dresses and whatever, and Nina only wears white we don't really know why, and she has this super blonde hair, whatever, anyway. So she gives Millie all these dresses. Well, she says that she's going to donate them because they don't fit her anymore. But then last minute she kind of turns to Mill, to millie, says why don't you take them? So when millie's getting ready for this broadway show, she's like I don't have anything nice, I only have all these white dresses that, um, nina gave me. So I'm just gonna wear one of those and it fits her perfectly it's important for the story later yeah, no, it's yeah.

Riss:

That's an important detail and which is, I feel, so weird about the whole thing already, which is like, don't tell my wife, we're going to this thing like me and you, and then she wears something that the wife gave her, like something I don't know. That would make you think of the wife the whole time it's or like weird think of you as the wife replacement yeah, yeah, so, anyway.

Riss:

So then they go and then they have this like romantic dinner. Afterwards she gets a text from nina telling, reminding her to take out the trash that day, and then she's like, oh shoot, I forgot, um. And then they go to a hotel and he even books like a separate bedroom, right, a separate room, but then they end up yeah, I don't think they talk about it because they were.

Chrys:

They realized that over dinner they got drunk, um, and like there's a few things at dinner too, because it's like she had never gone to like a french place, and so he's taking her. She doesn't know what to order. So she's like why don't you like, surprise me, like it's this, it's this whole thing. And I don't remember too much about the conversation, I guess, but I guess he does kind of confide in her more, saying how his wife has changed. She's not like how she used to be. She used to be more easygoing, more all these other things. And yeah, I'm trying to think if I forgot anything. Anyway, whatever, that sounds good. Yeah, so then he's like well, I had a lot to drink, I can't drive back, why don't we just use the hotel? There's supposed to be two beds in the room. And she says no, like we would have to get separate rooms. And he's like well, I, that's fine, I can pay for it, but then they don't even go in the taxi.

Riss:

Yeah, yeah in the taxi they start.

Chrys:

I don't stares at her legs and then, like the taxi or uber or whatever, takes like a turn, but they're not wearing seat belts, so like their bodies get close and then they just take that as a sign from the universe to smash.

Riss:

Yeah this is so funny that's like a completely avoidable situation like this way you should wear your seat belts.

Chrys:

Does that actually show up in the recording too?

Riss:

should we explain our theory? Okay, for for anybody who's listening that can't see this every now and then on the webcam there's like this thumbs up that shows up that we don't really know why it like pops up every now and then it's a setting we don't know how to turn off but, this is a more fun explanation. Our theory is that the fbi guy that's listening to us is giving us his stamp of approval. He's like you guys are on to something and we just got it.

Chrys:

So this is avoidable and you should wear your seatbelt.

Riss:

Yeah, he confirmed it um oh, it's so funny because it definitely like that makes me think of the times that I was like in the back seat with, like my brothers and you know, like there's a turn and they'll like smash you against the door but just out of like now definitely like elbow first yeah, there's. There's like car rides where I'm just like have my face pressed against the window with my brother, like with his foot against my face. Um, it's just such a fun childhood yeah anyways avoidable, um.

Riss:

So they start macking and then they smash in the hotel, um, and she had like the best night of her life. But she knows it's it can't happen again because he's married and all the stuff I will say the book was very PG. True, I was surprised, me too. I thought it was going to go into details, but then it was just like the next morning.

Chrys:

Yeah.

Riss:

Which respect.

Chrys:

Yeah, I was like what's the tea? A little bit, Not a lot. I was like disappointed.

Riss:

Well, I was just like I had my vibrator. Okay, that's not vibrator.

Chrys:

Okay, that's not what I'm saying, it's just like. It's like what's a conversation, what's like? I'm just wondering like did you just I don't know. Yeah, you know. Like did I don't know?

Riss:

No, yeah, it kind of. They just kind of wake up the next morning.

Chrys:

I do appreciate it a little bit because it's like they were drunk and they kind of don't remember. Maybe that's kind of the vibe, oh yeah. But because that was, because part of me was like I wonder what was said, wonder if they like talked after, like oh, that would be.

Riss:

That's actually a really cool take of like. They're kind of drunk, but they also weren't too drunk. Right, they were, or were they, super drunk I don't know.

Chrys:

I mean enough that they couldn't drive, but I don't know what that means supposedly.

Riss:

I thought that was more of like excuse. I understood it as more of an excuse, but yeah um, anyway, I mean it could be either one.

Chrys:

I will say that I've read a couple more books by freda mcfadden and she doesn't really do like dirty. So yeah, it might just be a writing style too. But I was wondering, like the, because like there's a conversation in the morning after, but there's not much. You would think that they probably talked more in the moment.

Riss:

Yeah.

Chrys:

I don't know.

Riss:

I was curious because it's like yeah, I wonder if there's more detail into that afterwards later on.

Chrys:

Did we fall asleep? Did we pretend we fell asleep, Like I don't know Whatever?

Riss:

Well anyway. So then after that, as mentioned before, she never took out the trash. And then, oh wait, they get. Okay, that's not that important, because they get there, they get home. And then Andrew has Enzo the gardener take out the trash for them so that Nina never finds out. Take out the trash for them so that nina never finds out. Um, and then nina is very suspicious of their activities and she, like she, thinks that there might be going something on, but they kind of deny everything yeah, like she gets home from dropping off cecilia at camp and she like had gone shopping or whatever.

Chrys:

So she has like millie, pick up her things and take it, take them upstairs and as like millie's picking things up, um nina kind of makes like some snarky comments. But then she says like, oh, like I called the um landline last night, how come no one picked up? And she's kind of like I don't know, I must have been asleep. I don't know what andrew's up to. Like it was so funny because it's like if she didn't know anything, she knew it then, because millie was like I was probably asleep. I don't know what he's up to. I don't know what he did. I don't know if he's, I don't know if he was home.

Riss:

I don't know, I don't know I know it sounded.

Chrys:

I don't know. I don't remember exactly how she phrased it, but it sounded very much like he's none of my business. Okay, it sounded like we definitely smashed, but I'm trying to not make it obvious by making it obvious stop asking me questions.

Riss:

I know, um, yeah, so then after that, so yeah, so nina is super suspicious.

Chrys:

And then, um, she see, she finds her clothes in millie's closet right yeah, well, I'm trying to remember the order of events, because when did she find the playbill? Was that after or before? I don't know? No, that was before. So she, well, she serves dinner one of the nights and she's trying to avoid Andrew or whatever, and as she's serving dinner they kind of bump into each other. He makes it seem like, hey, I need to talk to you, we need to talk, whatever. There's this whole thing. Um, anyway, nina and andrew sit down to have dinner and then nina or millie's just trying to get back to her room and avoid andrew and nina and all of them or whatever. And then Nina's like oh, can you give me the salt, or whatever it is makes Millie come back. And then, when she does, nina's like oh, um, I'd like love your food. Isn't this so great, andrew? Yeah, like, um, I wonder what kind of food you had when you were in prison oh yeah and then millie's like, oh my gosh, because she never told andrew.

Chrys:

And andrew kind of looks shocked and millie's just trying to play it off, like yeah, no. And she's like, yeah, like don't get any ideas of serving as prison food or whatever she says. And she's like, yeah, no, whatever. And then she goes to her room and she's pissed and then when she gets into her room she sees that, well, when she went to the broadway show with andrew, she kept the playbill or whatever of the show, uh, which you would really only have if you went so she kept it in her purse as like a little souvenir souvenir from the their extracurricular activities, and it was in her purse.

Chrys:

But it's not anymore and now it's on the nightstand. So that makes it pretty clear that, even though she's been locking the room when she's not in there, that nina is still going. Yeah, it's still going in there and looking through things. So then she has a day off and she leaves the house, goes to a park, is reading, whatever she's doing, and then she comes back and that's where she's confronted yeah, you remember everything so much better than me. Like trying you're listening at like four speed.

Riss:

We're only catching every other word like catching the general vibe of what's going on, like there's some sort of suspicion somebody died I don't know, and anyway, so yeah.

Riss:

So then, um, millie, so yeah, nina confronts millie about having clothes in her, her clothes in her, uh, closet, and millie's like what are you talking about? Like you gave me these clothes. And nina's like I would never do that the help. Like why would I ever give you like my clothes? You're crazy. And like completely gaslighting her right. And Millie's like well, this is like so awkward. And then Andrew walks in in this like argument and Nina kind of tries to pull him to her side and I was like can you believe this? Right? Like yeah um, doesn't.

Chrys:

It's like she stole my clothes, like we're calling the police, like you're gonna go back to jail or whatever because she's on parole, uh-huh, and andrew's like, no, like I remember you clearing out your closet and you're selecting these like, or grabbing these clothes or whatever that no longer fit you, and then he picks it up and he's like these haven't fit you in years, which I thought was hella rude you think you fit into this.

Riss:

Look again, sister. I know, it's like I know. Well, just that divorce 100.

Chrys:

It's like get out um, but on the turn turn of events he makes her leave um. Yeah yeah.

Riss:

so yeah, she gets all like pissed and stuff and like how are you taking her side? And then he's like you know what? Like you've been treating her so bad this whole time, like you've become such a different person.

Chrys:

Yeah, he tells, like Millie, to leave the room because they're about to have a serious talk.

Riss:

So Millie pretends to go upstairs to her room and then she's still listening. Yeah, millie makes some interesting decisions too in the midst of all of this. You know, yeah, like, I mean, I'm all for like listen. I would definitely be very curious myself, but at the same time I would be so scared of getting caught. I would, yeah, at the very least, like my bedroom door would be open and I would be ready to like bolt back in there, like if I hear their door opening.

Chrys:

You know, but you also like don't know, like he ends up kicking nina out, but you don't know that he's gonna do that, and like you just got accused of stealing, so like I don't know, yeah, I, I think I would just go upstairs and I would just like wait, wait anxiously, but I don't want to get caught.

Riss:

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. With every like you have a crazy employer, you slept with her husband. You ain't got no money. You have nowhere to go, like you're playing with fire. I am sitting in that room, yeah, anxiously waiting, just yeah, tapping my foot, hoping I didn't. I'm not gonna be kicked back into my car, you know living on the street.

Chrys:

I probably would have gone upstairs and I would have packed a bag. I would have left because, like I don't know how this is gonna go, she might like talk him into calling the cops on me. I'm ditching.

Riss:

Okay, let's make this clear no man is worth it. Oh, no At all. No man is worth that. I'm sorry, andrew might be perfect, but you even Okay, because this is also what I was thinking Even if, like, in that moment, everything goes to court, like you have the best outcome possible, which is, like nina gets kicked out, you start dating the, the guy, he, he treats you like a princess, you guys get married, build a family or whatever. If nina is as crazy as you know her to be, in what world do you want that woman as your partner's ex like and and that you I mean, quote unquote like took him from her right? Obviously he has a lot to play in that, but yeah but, it like you know.

Riss:

In her head it's gonna be like you're the villain and you. She doesn't have her husband anymore because of you you are.

Chrys:

That is, you're trying to be in a documentary as the person that doesn't get interviewed because you did no for real.

Chrys:

I would be like just weighing that in my head alone would be just like I don't know if I want that woman as um an enemy like I will say a couple of things like well, for one, I we find out that cecilia is not his daughter, right like that. Um, nina had her before they got together, but he's been her father figure since she was like a few months old. It sounds like are we not thinking of the child too, because she's like the little girl's at camp you're gonna have to like, if everything goes like how you would think it would go like, are you gonna have to like co-parent with this woman? That's apparently a psycho. Yeah, are you not thinking about that?

Riss:

well, millie kind of gives the the impression that, like poor andrew, has to deal with this brat that isn't even his child, right, doesn't she kind of think along those lines?

Chrys:

she's like it's also like he is equally.

Riss:

No, he is a participant in raising the brat yeah, and does it never cross her mind, like this man has a million red flags just because he put himself like this is the life he built for himself? I don't know. Yeah, does that? I don't know if that sounds wrong.

Chrys:

No, I get it. I feel like I get how, like maybe it would be a green flag that Nina, having a daughter, didn't like turn him away, that he was like willing to step in as a parent and it sounds like he has a good relationship with Cecilia. But I would be like, yeah, I don't like the way she talks about it, cause it's like he raised this girl as his daughter. Yeah, I don't like the way she talks about it because it's like he raised this girl as his daughter. They seem to have a good relationship.

Chrys:

She seems to listen to him, but she is kind of a brat, like that's his daughter.

Riss:

Yeah, and it's like a red flag in the sense of just like he is in a relationship with a woman who is completely unhinged, um, and he's sleeping and cheating on her and I don't know yeah no, I agree with that and I think suspicious, yeah, and I mean, like we said last time, like why is she crazy?

Chrys:

what did you do? Yeah, yeah, he plays a part. It, especially if she was so chill and so normal.

Riss:

Yeah. And then she wasn't anymore Like you know how they say like behind every successful man there's a woman. Mm-hmm, behind every crazy woman there's a man. There is a man that's my new quote, putting that on my Instagram box I think that's valid.

Chrys:

The other thing I think we forgot to mention, and I can't remember exactly at what point she finds out about this oh, so when she goes to pick up Cecilia from school that one time that she's told to do that but then she's not supposed to have because someone else was going to pick her up and Nina gaslights her she talks to some moms for a second supposed to have because someone else was going to pick her up and nina gaslights her. She talks to some moms for a second and they're like oh, you're working for nina winchester or whatever. Oh, like, good luck, she's cuckoo. And then at a later point, when she takes cecilia to like a ballet class, she's talking to another nanny and or maid and she was saying oh yeah, like she went to a mental institution when cecilia was little.

Chrys:

Um oh yeah, I can't remember. Did she tell her exactly what it was? Because I know what it is, but I can't remember if she finds out at that point yeah, she, she, she finds out that it's because Nina tried to drown Cecilia in the bathtub yeah, when she's a baby Like she took a bunch of drugs and drugged the baby and tried to drown her, and so she spent some time at a mental institution.

Riss:

And like, luckily, andrew had called the cops like right before and they got there just in time, which again suspicious. How did he know, right, yeah, to call? Like they don't say that, right, I don't think they do. Like how did he know to call the cops?

Chrys:

Yeah, I think they just say. Well, I think the story is that he was trying to call nina and contact her while he was at work and he couldn't get a hold of her, and then he called the police for a wellness check and oh, okay, then never mind, I retract my statement.

Chrys:

Maybe not, maybe maybe not, I don't know, but yeah, so, yeah, that's where we're at. So I think that's kind of interesting too for a couple of reasons, like like maybe it's a green flag on Andrew for sticking it out with her. Like I don't know what the situation is Like, did she? Like that's not just like postpartum depression, that would be like postpartum like psychosis, and yeah. So like him working through that with her. But then, like you work through that with her, she's kind of unhinged. You're not suggesting for her to get maybe help now. If she's unhinged now You're also cheating on her.

Riss:

You're cheating on her. What is that supposed?

Chrys:

to trigger if she is nuts.

Riss:

And also it also comes right after they find out that she can't have kids anymore. Oh yeah. Which is also pretty sad, considering, like, the timing of it, and if this man is a green flag, like he, I mean he wouldn't be cheating on her at all, right, but he definitely would would at least have the decency to be a little more empathetic about the timing of it, you know, like not leaving her right after they find out because she's not fertile anymore.

Chrys:

So yeah of course she's gonna think that it has to do with that you know, yeah, and millie's supposed to be like younger and fresher eggs or whatever. Yeah, no, I agree, I kind of forgot about that point. Um, yeah, also, I mean I want to be careful with how I say this. I guess I understand wanting to have like a kid of your own or whatever. It's like that experience of like having a little person or whatever that's partly made from you or whatever. But and I don't, I don't think they specified what her situation is, but they could. It sounds like they have the resources. They could fertilize eggs. They could still do potentially IVF for her. If not, they could also like fertilize the egg with his perm or whatever and then have a surrogate or something.

Riss:

Yeah, like have an egg donor or adopt.

Chrys:

But the thing is, too, is like he has a daughter too. He's allowed to have more kids. But I'm saying like I don't know. It's like if the desire is to be a parent, why not just try it in a different way, or adopt if you want more kids.

Chrys:

I don't know To like. I think the mentality of like yeah, like I'm just going to find someone younger and have my baby with her, is very much like one obviously you trash, but also it's such like an ego thing. It's like do you just need to procreate, like can't you?

Riss:

I don't know, I get wanting to have kids, I get wanting to be a parent, but like just yeah wanting fresher eggs or whatever it is, just pisses me off so much yeah, yeah, if that's the motivation behind it, it does, it is and it does feel very stupid and maybe I made this up, but it sounds like maybe again.

Chrys:

Yeah, maybe I made this up, but it sounded like, when he was talking to millie about it, that he's like I just always wanted to be a dad and it's like you are yeah yeah, yeah, you've been parenting this girl.

Riss:

She's like what nine and he started when she was a baby, right yeah, it's like you raised her, like you are a parent.

Chrys:

That just is huge red flag to me. Like you, you have a daughter. Do you not consider her a daughter? You should have gotten into that relationship if you don't see her that way all his green flags, you know, feel like they're just really red for real.

Riss:

It's like the top of it's like the tip of the iceberg, you know. It feels like everything just feels like there's a lot more to it and it's like, oh, you're really kind to like stick it out with nina up until this point, but then also like there just seems to be a lot wrong with the marriage in and of itself and you're trying to have a kid, but you know that she's not like really stable right now. You're not really looking for help for her, not, and I don't know she has a history of mental illness, potentially.

Chrys:

And then she's in a really vulnerable time because she really wanted a baby but she can't have one.

Riss:

So we're gonna go ahead and have an affair on her because that's not gonna do a number on everyone, like yeah, no, yeah, it's like yeah, yeah, you can tell that the and that frida, the author, is trying to write him as like a good man but questionable. You know, yeah, and she does a fairly good job with that, but you do like, when you're in the story, you're like millie, you being dumb, yeah also.

Chrys:

I mean, this is probably a bad thing that thriller books are doing to me and shows and whatnot, but it's always like whenever I'm watching something or reading something and it's like, oh, this guy is so nice, I'm like killer, so nice, such a good person. No, they're not. There's no way.

Riss:

They have a history of something. If this man is all green flags, that's a red flag. Too many green flags equals a red flag.

Chrys:

I'm a true believer of that. Yeah, also, it is interesting because he's introduced as, like, this nice guy, whatever all these things. But then, like, you're getting all these things, these pieces of the story that are being spun in a way that's supposed to be good, but then it's like I, I don't, I don't know yeah, and you can never trust a cheater.

Riss:

You know, like if you marry somebody that like, or you're even with somebody who you got with by, like they were with somebody else when you guys got together, Like you're never going to trust that person.

Chrys:

You lose them. How you got them? Yeah, yeah, exactly, I was thinking that too, and it's like also, like, what is the plan? Like you're the maid in this house he's kicking out his wife. Are we going to play house with this person? Do you want to actually try for a relationship? If so, like you have to move out and then like which, you ain't got no money and now you ain't got no job because you're not gonna work at his house. I don't know right. I'm like right, getting intense about this get that finger up.

Riss:

It's like, um, it's just so stupid. It's like think about it.

Chrys:

You're gonna well, I guess that's out the door, because she already slept with him.

Riss:

But it's like you're out of a job so you have no money, or unless you want to become financially dependent on this guy who you don't really know yeah, you don't know him at all and it's like you're inserting yourself into such a weird situation in the context of, like the environment outside of the home too, like everybody already knows you as the, the maid and they're gonna know that you cheated yeah that like you slept with him and they're gonna like clearly they're people with lots of judgment and lots of, yeah, um, opinions and they're and rumors that spread and not, and I guess like ultimately it shouldn't matter too much.

Riss:

I guess like the opinions of other people, but that's not even what I'm saying. It's just a bad person. It should yeah, it's just like it.

Chrys:

Just I feel like you're just setting yourself up like the relationship is gonna have such a hard time if it's already stacked against all of that, you know like and I mean as a couple not only did you have to move out of his house, but as a couple you have to move to a different place. Because how do you ever overcome that? Because, yeah, you have the boyfriend or whatever she really wants the boyfriend, but like you, have no community. Like you, yeah, you don't.

Riss:

Yeah, you already don't have a support system yeah, and then his support system is going to be against, or I mean very. They're gonna have like, have opinions about your like. Yeah, it's just. I feel like the foundation is already very like you're building it on sand you know yeah. That's coming down.

Chrys:

No, I agree. And it's also like she doesn't really know his family. It's just like you're yeah, you're just going to have so many issues and, like I don't know, the chemistry only goes so far.

Riss:

That spark is going to go off soon.

Chrys:

I know it's so far that spark is gonna go off soon. I know it's like I don't know the tension and whatever it's like it's already halfway gone, you're already smashed. It can still be good, but it's like your whole, like you have no relationship, you don't really know each other. He doesn't even know that she's been.

Chrys:

I mean, I guess he knows now that she's been to jail or whatever, he doesn't know the reason yet, right he could totally like tell her to get out once he finds that out, if he feels like that's not she doesn't even know what he does for work.

Riss:

I know, yeah, um, yeah, anyway, there's, there's just like also there's too much, too much too much crap to to swim through.

Chrys:

Yeah, in this relationship already nothing is worth it. And then when he's kicking nina out, she's like what about cecilia, what about us? And he's like you never let me adopt her officially, so bye like, which is like that's not a good reason.

Riss:

Dude like, do you love her? Yeah?

Chrys:

like as your daughter supposed.

Riss:

Like you, you, you wanted to adopt her at some point yeah, like we would never be in that situation.

Chrys:

But if you were like, is that on a huge red flag that he's like kicking the little girl to the curb?

Riss:

like a hundred percent.

Chrys:

There's like yeah, like would do not want to. I mean, there's people that get into relationships that are shorter than that, like than the whole the kids whole life, and they end up doing like not visitation, like some type of thing, because like it's hard on kids to like lose relationships that they build.

Riss:

So like I don, I don't know, I've just, I guess my example is like influencers, but still, At the very least, if he's truly a decent human, he'll offer some sort of like financial support, you know, at least for a while, because you're kicking the woman out to the curb 100%.

Chrys:

But not just that you would, wouldn't? You want some type of custody? That blows my mind. Yeah, because like, yeah, he's not the biological father, but he raised her yeah.

Riss:

No, it's a very lousy excuse to be like oh yeah, well, it's your fault, it's gaslighting oh, mm-hmm, I don't know.

Chrys:

It just gave me a huge ick of like he doesn't care about the little girl at all, like who cares if she's bratty.

Riss:

Like every kid goes through phases like yeah, well, no, and it and again it's like it's. It's one of those things where it's like it's such a green flag that he took this girl in and he raised her as his own and loves her and is such a good father to her. But then, first chance he gets, he's like yeah, I never adopted her, so she's not mine, so bye, you know. Like yeah, that green turned into red very fast yeah, I don't understand.

Chrys:

I feel like either way I would have packed my bags.

Riss:

It would have like left, I would have been like y'all are too crazy for me. Yeah, um, but anyway. So continuing with the story. Nina is kicked out. They're now like starting this relationship. Um, she, he goes, he's at work, I think, or doing something, and she starts packing her room to like okay, we missed a little piece, sorry, wait.

Chrys:

Okay, it's gonna feed back into it. Um, yeah, so they sleep together in the guest room, whatever. He tells her that well, she basically says like she's gonna do the chores or whatever that she normally does, and he's like no, you're not gonna be my maid anymore. Um, we can live here. And you know, this might become like a permanent situation if things go the way that I want them to go. But you should just like relax.

Chrys:

And so she tries to like occupy herself and she reads some books and like pulls them out or whatever, of the bookshelves and tries to read a few different things, leaves them on the coffee table and then she finally does realize that they ran out of food. So then, and in the meantime, she's getting these calls from a blocked number and she doesn't know who it is, so she just keeps ignoring them. She goes to the grocery store and to get some things, and while there she gets another block number call. She ignores it again. And then she runs into one of the PTA moms and she says that she was supposed to have lunch with Nina, but Nina never showed up. So she's wondering what's going on. She says like, oh, nothing Like. Everything's fine. Also, dumb highlight, but the PTA mom calls her like aren't you Nina's girl? And it just sounded like a pimp thing to me.

Chrys:

I don't know, I just it's such a weird way to refer to someone at any job like yeah, so rude you're one of her girls unless it's like you're her daughter. I guess that's fine, but like no yeah it sounds like you're getting pimped out.

Riss:

It's just weird. It's like you're her daughter. I guess that's fine, but like no, yeah, it sounds like you're getting pimped out.

Chrys:

It's just weird. It's like aren't you this other person's possession, Anyway? But this PTA mom says, oh, like, yeah, okay. And then she sees the phone that it's in Millie's hand and she's like oh, like, you're very kind to let her track you all the time. Oh, yeah, and Millie's like what do you mean?

Riss:

Like?

Chrys:

she just texts me sometimes and whatever, and the PT mom is like no, like I'm talking about the tracking device or tracking app that's installed in the phone and she's like what? Like find my friends, girl, yeah yeah. Find my enemies, my stalkers um yeah.

Chrys:

So she's like, uh, what the heck? So she leaves the groceries. She goes to leave the grocery store. She's really stressed out and she sees a white lexus leaving the parking lot and she's like I think that's nina's car. And then she gets another phone call and she answers it. She's like Nina, what do you want? Or whatever.

Chrys:

And it's like a vehicle, like warranty call, yeah, and she's like, okay, maybe I'm a little paranoid thinking it's her trying to contact me. And then at another point she does answer. At another point she does answer and the there's a like a recorded message or like a robotic voice saying don't date andrew, or like you have to leave andrew, or something and she's like that's probably nina anyway, so that's that's important.

Riss:

It's gonna come back to play later yeah, yeah, no, that is an important part. And then another important part is that andrew feels really weirded out by um the gardener and zoe, who spends too long at like, working in their garden when, like, he's supposed to be a gardener for the whole neighborhood, right, yeah, but he spends like half of his time at their house and he's, like andrew's, super suspicious of this, like doesn't get why he spent so much time there, and eventually tells him to leave, right, like you've been spending way too much time here, yeah, and and so, before leaving, throughout the whole book, he's like this italian man who can't really speak english and when he tries to speak English, it's like very broken English, heavy, heavy accent really can't love words at a time like yeah, no sentences like can't communicate very well in English, so him and Millie have like a very hard time like.

Riss:

Millie tries a few times to talk to him and never really can anyway. So fast forward to this moment Eno turns to her and he's like this place is dangerous, you should leave.

Chrys:

And like his english is a lot better when he says that like he still has an accent, but it's like way less like detectable or whatever it like reveals that he, he like, knows more than he's letting on.

Riss:

You know, he knows how to speak english. He probably understands more than he has, uh, led on at up to this point and millie's like oh, that's really weird he's also making sure that he's not saying anything in front of andrew yes, um, so that happens. And then he leaves um, and then oh did you say that andrew fired him?

Riss:

oh no, andrew fires him. Yeah, okay, and then, so, then, um, so then we get to the point that I tried to skip everything important to get to um, but millie is like okay, well, I'm gonna get out of this like little closet of a room that she had been living in, like on the, and was it in the attic or just like the upper floor yeah um, she's like the only thing that's up there.

Riss:

Yeah, she's like I'm gonna get out of here, gonna like set up in a guest room. So she's like I'm going to get out of here, I'm going to set up in a guest room. She's packing her stuff. Then Andrew gets home and he's like what are you doing? Then she was like oh, I just thought I could move into one of the guest rooms. He's like no, I love the idea. I was going to suggest it. Then it's so romantic, so they start kissing and then they start banging and then they're doing it in her little attic room and then the next morning On a cot Comfortable. And then the next morning she wakes up and he's already gone.

Chrys:

Well, at three in the morning she wakes up and it's the middle of the night.

Riss:

Oh yeah, I was listening to it too fast okay.

Chrys:

So she wakes up in the middle of the night. She notices that he's not there anymore. So she's thinking like oh he, he's much older than me, so he probably needed to go to an actual bed. Like I know that this cot like hurts my back, so I can only imagine what it would do for him. Was this the first time that?

Riss:

they revealed that he's 10 years older than her, because I don't remember that being they mentioned before they talk about it a few times like that he's like 10.

Chrys:

I don't know, he's like in his 40s or something and she's in her late 20s, okay, um, but I think they only mentioned a couple of times. They don't know, he's like in his 40s or something and she's in her late 20s, okay, um, but I think they only mentioned a couple of times. They don't say it too much, but yeah, she mentions in this point just because she's like. He probably woke up in the middle of the night and was just so uncomfortable he needed to go down and probably didn't want to wake me yeah and she really needs, really needs to go to the bathroom.

Riss:

Right, I was gonna say okay, she does talk about how like her bladder hurts, right, yeah, she Because relatable. That was a moment that I was like girl, like that, I get Same. That is After. That's something I can support.

Chrys:

It was never that bad. Well, it's not bad after kids, but and it wasn't that bad before kids. But when I was pregnant man it was I got up like three or four times in the middle of the night to go pee because I needed to pee, so bad all the time that is like I will wake up early almost every day because I need to go to the bathroom.

Riss:

I'm like I and it hurts. I'm like I just want to sleep in before bed too, I just drink a lot of water. I usually drink like quite a bit of water right before I fall asleep and like during the night, so then, when I wake up, I'm like I need to go. That makes sense, it's. It's a good tactic, though, to get out of bed.

Riss:

You know, like if you're ever just like rotting in bed, you can't do that when your bladder is screaming at you I know, but it also sucks when you're so tired and you're like please stop okay, this has happened to me so many times where I'm like I'm so tired and I'm gonna go use the bathroom and I like just slightly miss the toilet when I'm sitting down happens to the best of us.

Chrys:

It's like, or yeah, with the husband. It's happened a couple times where I went to the bathroom and the seat was up, yeah, and I did not look or actually fallen not to take a full shower in the middle of the night that?

Riss:

have you heard? Um? Have you heard like the, the thing people do like? Um, if it's yellow, let it mellow, if it's brown, flush it down. Have you heard no?

Riss:

you always flush oh, yes, you always flush, okay, but that's like a saying, but like it's like to save money on water or to like, or to help, like, just save water, I guess. Um, so that you're not flushing a ton and you're, yeah, helping the world or whatever. Um, that's something that like, like a philosophy a lot of people live by. I was reading on reddit. Somebody was like do not do that, because it's all fun and games until until you're the one doing the brown and it like splashes back up, yellow, splashes back up and you don't know who's. Anyway, it was very. I was like that is horrible and I'm so sorry. I even brought it up.

Chrys:

I regret it, guys we need new friends, that's. I don't think that's cool at all. I at first I thought you were gonna go into like don't eat yellow snow or something, and I'm like don't eat snow at all and always flush but yeah, just just always flush is is the concept, um, but yeah, so anyway.

Riss:

So then, quick production.

Chrys:

Pause bud mama's recording. Okay, I'm on a call. You want to ask lolly something? What do you want to ask?

Riss:

a big, a big workout, a workout. Lookout, a lookout, a big lookout. Yeah, the curse goes off. Whoa Into a topsy lookout, whoa, whoa, that is very interesting.

Chrys:

Okay, you gotta go with Dad. Okay, bud, Close the door please. I want to find Dad. He's playing hide-and-seek. He's playing hide-and-seek. Okay, he's not in here. Okay, Go look in Mommy's room. Okay, I just got it out. Yeah, so so yeah.

Riss:

So Back to the story. And um, don't forget. And so anyway, yeah, she really needs to use the bathroom. Yeah, and then she goes to open the door to leave her little attic room and it's stuck, as it usually is. So she keeps trying and then she finds out that she's actually locked in there boom.

Chrys:

The end of part one. I read the whole thing and I'm just so anxious to talk about the rest. I was kind of hoping you cheated too.

Riss:

I passed it I was so close. I held myself back because I everything I read, I read like so long ago and I had like the rest of the week and I was just like driving in silence and I was like I could be really using audiobook right now yeah, but that's okay, we can save it for next time yeah, we'll finish your the book not ready next time.

Riss:

So if you're following along, next podcast is the time to be done. We'll give our final thoughts and we will also talk about what book we'll read next yeah, um, do we want to do some predictions? Well, you know what happens.

Chrys:

Well, I can make stuff up, and why don't you go first?

Riss:

Okay. Well, I feel like my prediction from the very beginning, which I feel very right about now, is that Andrew's the problem. Yeah, um, so I can't problem. Yeah, um, so I can't. My mind kind of goes in two separate directions. One oh, we got confetti now. The fbi guy is very excited. He's just on the edge of his seat right now.

Riss:

Um, anyway, at least we have one listener every time there's, it's him or her, we don't know. We don't know um anyway. So, okay, one of the directions my mind goes in is that andrew is some sort of like mastermind. Um, what, what's the word? Um manipulator? Manipulator, not not psychotic? Um sociopath, sociopath, yeah, um, where he is, he's the one that makes nina crazy and she's like maybe she was she, because before she was working and doing a ton of stuff before they got married, so maybe she was the housemaid before that and he was married to somebody else and then, kind of like the same thing happened. That like something, something along those lines, right, and then he kind of he is the one behind her going crazy. Ok, somehow, that's one theory. My other theory is that they are working together, him and nina, and they're both kind of there's some sort of game going on with the housemaid and they're just trying to drive her crazy somehow.

Chrys:

Um, it's like the most complicated swingers club and they got one.

Riss:

They only got half of us that's why they're trapping her in the attic trying to collect more but yeah, maybe they're like working together and the whole plan has always been to trap her there and they've got some weird game going on.

Chrys:

Okay, those are my two theories, and pretty good ones.

Riss:

Um, yeah, you can say what you thought at that like yeah, that's what I'm trying to think of.

Chrys:

Um, what came to mind as soon as that door was locked? One well, first thing, it was like I think three in the morning when I was reading that, and so, like josh is like asleep and I'm just like I need someone to talk to about this like I kind of thought you were gonna say like I need to go check my door. I have a story about that too. But yeah, I was just I don't know, um, so I was reading it pretty late, so I had a few different theories.

Chrys:

I mean, when I kind of was thinking that he was the bad guy too, I was thinking maybe his whole thing is going after vulnerable women like yeah when he met his wife she was like she had a newborn and they got together, it sounds like very shortly after that um she was like working multiple jobs, right like she was a very hard worker when they first met. I can't remember what they.

Riss:

I know what they say after but I don't know what they say before. I don't know. They definitely say that she was working. I think she was like a like a hard worker. I don't remember if it was two jobs or what it was, but that sounds right actually.

Chrys:

um, but, yeah, that she was. She was definitely working and doing things with a newborn, which is really hard. I think they might have mentioned that she was working multiple jobs and, if that's the case, like she wasn't like financially stable and he's super rich, so so invulnerable in comparison to him. Right, he's got like a savior, complex it could be yeah, it could be.

Chrys:

Um, I was gonna say something else that I had forgotten too. Oh yeah, at some point I can't I think it's when they do the pta meeting at their house, which I guess we didn't really mention because it was very uneventful. Um, but like Nina basically throw this, throws this PTA meeting at her house and makes Nina plan the whole thing and, um, nina's just really busy cleaning up the house and Andrew kind of saves the day by going and picking up the hors d'oeuvres I don't know how to say that. Anyway, that's not important. But during the PTA meeting, at some point Nina walks out and then they mention a couple things that become important later. Her roots are growing in. They mentioned that a lot.

Chrys:

I don't know if you got into that um, that she hasn't gotten her hair done, and then, which sounds really stupid, but it's going to become important. And then the other thing is and I can't remember 100, sure, if that's when they mention it, but at some point you find out that they have like an iron clad prenup.

Riss:

Yes, yeah, the ladies talk about it when nina, like, leaves the room for a second and then the ladies are chatting about it and, yeah, millie hears them, so, um, so yeah, so that kind of implies that she didn't have any money and he has a lot of money Millie hears them, so yeah, so that kind of implies that she didn't have any money and he has a lot of money.

Chrys:

So when they got together, so yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking Like maybe he just kind of goes after, like vulnerable women and then he somehow makes them go a little nuts and then he gets sick of them and then he wants a new person to save and depend on him yeah and whatever before he um things go south.

Chrys:

I was definitely like really confused as to like what he does to drive them nuts, exactly because they don't say, but also because, like in front of other people, he's obviously seems like a nice guy to his wife and his kids and like the image he definitely seems like he has it all together yeah, and, and millie is living with them and she's not seen anything from his side.

Chrys:

It's usually, um, nina who's going a little nuts, and I don't think we mentioned this either, but at some point I think it's like one of the first few nights um, she's at the house, but they're fighting. I think it's after they find out that she's not fertile or not able to carry a pregnancy to term, um, but nina and him are fighting in the room and then millie comes down to make sure everything's okay, because she hears like a loud bang or something. And then nina comes out of the room and she's like bleeding and so she wonders if andrew's okay or something. Yeah, but she hears like the water running in the bathroom. So she knows that he's okay, but she thinks that nina did something to him, so that kind of. I was a little confused on that, but part of me was like, is she like doing it to herself because she's going crazy, because he's nuts, or did he hurt her in that scene? But she, like it's starting to fight back so he's getting sick of her? I don't know.

Chrys:

I had a few different theories. I definitely one of them was definitely to the. Maybe they were working together somehow, um, and wanting to trap her. But I I was also like, but why, like, did they just like torturing people? Maybe that could be it, or like I don't know, because, like you, do you want them? I don't know. Do you want to sleep? Do you want her to work for you for free? Or like, because you're paying her, she lives with you. You already have full access, a lot of access. He's sleeping with her. He has full access.

Chrys:

So, like, some weird game going on, some weird kink because, like I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway.

Riss:

Anyway, we'll find out next episode. Yeah, thanks for listening. Bye.